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jsbowden ([personal profile] jsbowden) wrote2006-11-08 02:16 pm

Loyalty, hm?

I'm curious, once the subpeonas start flowing come January and Junior starts finding himself being held accaountable by Congress, is the loyalty he demands from his staff gonna flow both ways when it becomes obvious what the personal cost for protecting his underlings is gonna be?

[identity profile] publius1.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll be the different one and say yes, here. The thing that has separated Bush from Clinton more than anything else is his loyalty to his friends. I don't see that changing, no matter what, with this election.

[identity profile] jsbowden.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think he will.

So far, staying loyal hasn't cost him anything. Congress has been a rubber stamp for the last six years, and he's had no oversight. All that's about to change, and there are a whole lot of things the Dems want answers on (as well as a whole lot of us in the middle and quite a few of the more moderate Repubs).

He gets testy and throws a tantrum whenever he's been challenged up to now, and I just can't see his entitlement complex surviving a real check on his powers as cheif exec. He's a spoiled kid who's about to have his toys taken away if he doesn't fess up.

[identity profile] voltbang.livejournal.com 2006-11-09 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Had no oversight, and called for no oversight. Maybe I'm being charitable, but I suspect that five or ten years from now, as it all comes out in the public eye, Bush will be shocked to find out much of what his minions were doing in his name. His chief minion will be in the ground by then, from semi-natural causes, but Rove may not have gone into hiding yet.

The thing I don't get about some of this stuff is, haven't these people noticed that eventually, people talk, and secrets come out? A conspiracy of three people can keep the secret. The more people know the secret, the faster they share it. Especially in politics, where people's loyalty does change, and the other side is actively hunting for scandal.

[identity profile] selki.livejournal.com 2006-11-09 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
as it all comes out in the public eye, Bush will be shocked to find out

Bush doesn't read the papers or watch the news himself; he lets other people filter the information before it gets to him. He bragged about this to reporters his first year in office -- news is so *biased*, saves time, don't you know.