Dear IBM,

[jsbowden]

What the hell is wrong with you? I don't need an exhaustive list, I just need to know WHY installing Sametime causes my machine to use THREE HUNDRED MEGABYTES of additional memory. That's before I even start it. It's a fucking IM client. Please explain to me why I shouldn't firebomb whatever part of your organization is responsible for this travesty with extreme prejudice. Soon. This Enya track won't last for much longer, and them I'm going to start getting really pissed.

Comments

[montoya.livejournal.com]

Fucking Sametime! I sorta blame Java, as it seems to have that Java GC pause every so often. (And it's definitely built in Java -- its icon when its starting up says "Eclipse".)

Which version do you have? 8 is way, way better than 7.5 in terms of resource utilization.

[jsbowden.livejournal.com]

I know Sametime is a bloated piece of shit. I expected it even. What I didn't expect was that after installing it, when it's NOT EVEN FUCKING RUNNING, for it to cause my machine to use an additional 300MB of RAM due to it's mere presence on the HDD. RTN hasn't blessed 8 yet, so we're using 7.5.

[montoya.livejournal.com]

7.5 is so, so bad. It's maddening, because you'll be typing along and all the sudden it'll just freeze up for like 20 seconds, and then it'll rapidly insert half the letters the you typed while it was frozen. So great.

Pidgin (or whatever it's called) works with Sametime, I am told, and if you're allowed to use random software, it might be preferable.

[publius1.livejournal.com]

8 isn't much better, though yeah, I've not experienced the pause thing you've got.

I mean, there's some features that I like -- knowing who in my Lotus server group is online, and the integration with Sametime is interesting -- but the calendar features are laughable compared to Outlook and it's just completely nonintuitive for all but the most basic tasks.

[montoya.livejournal.com]

8 is seriously a ton better. I upgraded to it, and that pause-while-typing thing is gone. It's subjectively about half as "heavy" as 7.5 was.

(I also don't use the Notes-integrated version. I'm using Notes 6.5.)

[publius1.livejournal.com]

I think the problem here is one of comparison. I'm used to Outlook and Exchange, so when I say "isn't much better" I mean "isn't much better as an email client when compared to Outlook"; it may be a lot better than 7.5, I have no experience with that, but it ain't no awesome piece of application engineering.

[prince-eric.livejournal.com]

So I shouldn't mention that we're *this* close to starting the migration from Lotus to the MS back-office suite at my workplace? Nor that as an IT person I get to be in the first wave of people migrated over? Or that they've started pushing out packages like OCS, and I can now run it on my corporate desktop?

[montoya.livejournal.com]

The horrid irony is that several years ago we migrated AWAY from Exchange to Notes.

I cried for weeks.

[publius1.livejournal.com]

Huh? The Sametime client I use is .NET. I know, because I've gotten the .NET crash screen when it's crashed before.

[montoya.livejournal.com]

No, it's Java. Go into the Help/About, and you'll see it'll say it was built with Eclipse.

By ".NET crash screen" do you mean the Visual Studio debugger? Because VS will launch its debugger for any app that crashes on your system if you have it installed and configured that way.

[publius1.livejournal.com]

Yep, you're totally right, it was built with Eclipse.

(I'm using a separate Sametime client that is far, far better than the integrated one that comes with Notes, by the way)

-- I don't mean the Visual Studio debugger; I meant that it had given the .NET runtime error dialog when it had crashed before. (And now I'm confused!)

[publius1.livejournal.com]

Fuck the Lotus suite with a chainsaw -- It's so far behind Outlook that it's laughable, and that's scary.